6424	Forums / Main Forum / Re: Hidden in Him..new identity and First Love..	on: April 29, 2008, 11:35:22 AM
The message is what determines the doing. The focus is what determines the message. God is absolutely sovereign over every thing in the universe. So that He revealed Himself as God and man. Fully God and fully man. He was the only real man. So that all of our view of life is determined by Him. We cannot trust in our own way. So that we not only know Him as an example, but we know Him as our all in all. He determines the beginning of our lives and the end of our lives. Our reality begins the moment we know Him. There is no other reality of beginning. We not only began in Him when we were saved, but we began in Him before the foundation of the world in the sense that He determined to know us, even when we were His enemies. So that our lives in the past are complete in Him, when we look back at were we come from. Thats why the apostle could say that he was guilty of no mans blood. We are not a product of our parents for having the purpose in our lives. The only thing we received in our past from our parents was the sin nature. So that we look at our identity in His eternal reason for our existence. When we look back at the reason we were born we look back before the first man was born. So that we are no longer in Adam as our identity. We are in the second Adam. Even tho we suffered from our being in bondage to sin, we no longer look back as having a reason for sinning. We are not identified in that life. Our identity was revealed to us when we were saved as from eternity. Any other view is man rebelling against the sufficiency of Christ. When men put themselves in that position , they make themselves a god. Their view of themselves as being a product of this earthly authority is what defines their view of Christ. Our view of ourselves being in Christ is not only what transpires in our growth in faith, but our view of what we were in salvation from eternity.

6423	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Anger?	on: April 29, 2008, 12:45:33 PM
Well all of this future life beyond this earth is so much bigger and better than we could ever imagine. And i guess that , in some ways we are experiencing a taste of this now. Here we have the eternal word of the living God, so that when we receive the eternal paradigm of that word we are actually becoming familiar with being face to face with Him as if He were speaking directly to us. And yet i guess that pain is keeping us from having a false idea of ourselves in the taste. It really curbs the appetite for dwelling on the law. Christ is here, in the Spirit, having fellowship with the saints , for the purpose of bringing Him glory through us , when He decides to use us as we are living before Him. And if we love that kind of dwelling then we are going to have a different view of our struggles. Grace is more than a hope, it is the reality of experiencing His power. So we are raised up in our minds , being pulled from what we can see here. And in that , we meet Him, as if He were to grab us by the hand , and we sit with Him, feeling His overwhelming powerful love. I guess, since He loved us first, then there is nothing that we can think of or experience that He does not have His love involved in our circumstances. But really dwelling in His eternal power, is having a sense of Him in that reality. What we know of a friend is what He does and says in our behalf. So that what we know of His eternalness, is what we know of Him. And we have such an overwhelming return of His goodness in our thinking that we are led by our view , to see Him in that taste of goodness.

6422	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Exclusive psalmody	on: April 29, 2008, 01:47:52 PM
I understand i think, that is really deep, I know that something different than we are is available. I think that is a working principle not only in our present circumstances but as a continuing reality in progressive revelation. Now i do not think that we make new revelation. But i do think that the saints who have gone before us have spoken a much better reality. Now heres the thing, even tho we have the word as it was written in the past, yet it is an eternal word, which is that it is not only a word, but it is God who is in the word. Every word is Trinitarian so that a present working of the word is a better understanding of the paradigm of that word. But then there is an illumination process that creates the reality. Now there is a lack of understanding even tho the life of that paradigm of the reality of the word exist. So that we are always going from an experience of the word, to a distant experience of its effects. I think thats why we are always encouraged to keep our eyes on Christ. And then we have all of these saints who have progressively keep their eyes on Christ so that there is a progression even better than the apostle Paul experienced. But it wasnt that the potential was not there at the time of even David. So that the new explains the old much better , and yet they are not different. But there is a different disposition in my meditation of 2 hrs in the psalms, than in my normal daily routine. So that in a sense we draw near, having a better understanding of the nature of the paradigm of being near. And it is in the word that we can never get to the bottom of , Even Christ in His human nature is still understanding in eternity. But there is a distinct confidence in these prayer and praise paradigms that have an effect in a sense that they cause a new believing in the new nearness. So that when we draw near , we actually are having a view of the eternal nature of being in Christ. Or we are being changed into His image, which is the whole man, even to some extent in our bodies. The communicative nature of being in that high view of God in the psalms is that we get to a place were our communication between the soul and the body, cause us to want to be balanced in the illumination. So we really are at a better place having that transformation. And we have these visions of Christ by that transformation. So that we look on Christ and then we are reminded of who we are in eternity. So that in a sense we are in heaven as we are raise up in this time more than those who were raised up at that time. We have to see that every thing has already been given, and that we are already having the same function like Christ had won the rule over all things, in us being in Him.

Ps 141 Yet my prayer is ever against the deeds of evildoers;
 6 their rulers will be thrown down from the cliffs,
and the wicked will learn that my words were well spoken.
  7 They will say, "As one plows and breaks up the earth,
so our bones have been scattered at the mouth of the grave."

God has spoken creation into existence. He designed the creation by desiring the things according to His attributes. He spoke them into existence and they were created by His will.  The natural revelation that has been created is showing that God is not indecisive when He acts. He simply speaks and it is accomplished.

We must understand that Gods special revelation is not a suggestion. God does not act pragmatically in order to get to a solution. We are taught that God does whatever He wants. There is no reason for  God to be indecisive. He can redeem everything by simply creating and recreating them according to their value and purpose by a word. So every word of God special revelation are decrees. If the revealed words of God are laws that are written in stone then why are the opposition successful in acting against these decrees?

When God created Adam and Eve , He established His law in order to provide the symmetry and order of the creation. The law of God was not given to force man to act morally. It was given in order for God to work through all things according to their purpose and value. The law was more than a standard of goodness and order. Without the work of the law, nothing could be defined and there would not be a measure of blessing . The mandate for man to rule the earth would be of no consequence if the creation was thrown into chaos. So the law provided the basis for God to bring glory to Himself by His creation. The law established the perfect working of all things according to their value and purpose.  The law is the foundation of all identity.

When man sinned God had to uphold the voice of  the law. God had to pronounce death to His creation. We must understand that sin was present in the desire to redefine Gods word.3Set a guard over my mouth, O LORD ; keep watch over the door of my lips. 4Let not my heart be drawn to what is evil, to take part in wicked deeds with men who are evildoers; let me not eat of their delicacies"If man had not been cursed then he would have destroyed the creation by devaluing Gods creation in the redefinition. God had created man to rule His creation but when man sinned He redefined Gods word to its destruction. God dealt with sin by judging every thought and intent in mans heart. If God had not dealt a swift judgement to sin and corruption then He would have been thwarted by another will outside of Himself. If God was prevented from acting by the opposition then His word could not be trusted. God had to be the first cause of all things in order to uphold the authority of His word.

In order for God to be just, He had to determine the end of all things. If there was another will outside of God that could change the purposes of God then He would need to judge that will according to a sliding scale. If God judged man according to his best efforts then Gods judgement would be pragmatic. Gods word could not be trusted. So God had to deal a death blow to all corruption by putting the power of the opposition under His control in the curse. 10 Let the wicked fall into their own nets, while I pass by in safety."

But here is the problem. God did not create the first man as a robot. He created them to rule the earth as a free moral agent. God implanted His law into man in order to provide the foundation for man to be free to choose what man was most pleased to choose. God had created man as the intricate part of in ordering all things for His glory. In order for God to reestablish the unity of all things , He had to restore the mans authority in ruling according to His original purposes. The only way that God could reestablish mans freedom to rule over the earth was to prevent the sin and corruption from being successful by the curse. The original authority of man to rule over the earth is reestablished in the authority of Gods word that was accomplished in Christ rising up to the perfect line of blessing and the cursing. Christ established the authority of the law by fulfilling it. 8 But my eyes are fixed on you, O Sovereign LORD ; in you I take refuge-do not give me over to death."

God has gifted His elect with His perfect justice in pronouncing the law, covenants, curses, decrees, statutes and promises. As we pronounce the 6 axioms we rise up to the line of blessing and cursing. These pronouncements are the "words well spoken." God pronounced the end of all things according to blessing and cursing in His eternal counsel from before the foundation of the world. Salvation can only be a sure foundation and completely successful by God being faithful in His judgements because He controls all things according to the line of blessing and cursing. He has reestablished our authority over the earth by uniting His desires with our desires as we rise up to the perfect line of blessing and cursing.Ps 141 Yet my prayer is ever against the deeds of evildoers;" We push destruction under our feet by cursing the curse and we overcome all opposition in the blessing. 7 They will say, "As one plows and breaks up the earth,so our bones have been scattered at the mouth of the grave."


 

  Ps 10 1 Why, O LORD , do you stand far off?
Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?"

When man sinned  he was not only cursed with destruction , but he was put in bondage to thinking and speaking in order to prove that he is his own god. The entire creation was cursed with being placed on the road to destruction and only desiring to travel toward the destructive destination. So the Psalmist describes man as not just wanting to break the law of God but being dumb enough not to avoid the self destruction that awaits him.  This is why God had to take the curse upon himself in His substitution for His elect. Because the atonement not only saved man from destruction but God turned the light on all of the opposition to man being saved. The Psalms describe two kinds of men. It is written as the light to reveal the thoughts and schemes of those who live in the dark not understanding the destructive dangers. We must understand that God gives us assurance by revealing to us that we are sinners and describing the opposition that we face as unnatural to our way of thinking.

In teaching us about who we are ,  the Psalmist describes to us the thoughts of the blind sinner. The old adage is if you do not study the enemy then you will be deceived. So God is giving us such an advantage as we live in this curse world in describing the unseen thoughts of sinners in order to disarm the danger by getting us to understand how foolish and powerless their attempts are. I call this growing down by cursing the curse.

This Psalm is written in order for us to see that our frustrations with the abuse that we experience in living in this world is important because it points to the extremely complicated scheme that is woven from one generation to another in getting us to understand the seriousness of evil. We are always taught a way of thinking in order to understand who God is and who we are. And the Psalmist describes the evils as rising up to mystery by the extreme nature of the curses in order for us to experience the distance of our fall because of the first sin. In describing the mysterious reactions of God we are learning about who God is and thus who we are. The scripture is Gods revelation to us of the unseen spiritual war that is being fought in the secret places of society. God is teaching us the reality of the thoughts and words of the wicked man in order to apply the law correctly as we gain an understanding even tho we cannot understand as God does. The curses that we speak contain both the revealed and mysterious control over the evil.

We must understand that every person knows reality by their view. There may be a trillion views of the world but there is only one reality. You see the reality of every kind of thing and person is how God describes them. And the Psalms describe real reality. The real reality is both part of our logic and mysterious to us. Even tho we cannot understand the mysterious thoughts of God, the 6 axioms that we speak as we react to Gods description of all things are worked out according to Gods understanding.. We have real power.

The Psalmist is describing evil as God sees it from its very conception. The Psalmist is giving us the 6 axioms in response to sin as it is conceived in the beginning so that we react with real feelings and understanding. We are using Gods words that are beyond our understanding so that we apply the power that is beyond our ability. We are bringing judgement together with eternity in waiting for the final judgement. 15  Break the arm of the wicked and evil man; call him to account for his wickedness
that would not be found out."

 Ps 138 2 I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name
for your love and your faithfulness,
for you have exalted above all things
your name and your word.
3 When I called, you answered me;
you made me bold and stouthearted.

The Psalmist teaches that God has revealed His word in two ways. He has created all things by the word of His mouth.He has revealed reality in natural revelation. We are taught that Gods word is the breath of life that comes from His mouth. His breath not only gives new life but it is the reasonable explanation of all reality. When God speaks everything is brought back to its original purpose. Gods word unifies all creation.

Gods word is also a word of prophecy. He has spoken His word in law, covenants, curses, decrees, statutes and promises. These 6 axioms are words of creation that form the kingdom of blessing or cursing. When we let the word of God speak for itself , we bring in the kingdom of blessing. When we oppose Gods word we invite cursing. So we say that Gods word is the only healthy word to man that creates the foundation of success. To bless oneself is to know and agree with every word of scripture. To curse oneself is to teach a doctrine that opposes Gods word.

The word of God never fails in working to bring life and health to man. In order for a person to grow in faith , he must depend upon the self revelatory nature of that word.  He must learn how to be contained in the boundaries of the law, covenants, curses, decrees, statutes and promises. He must put all of his hope of being defended by these 6 axioms. He must be convinced that God not only spoke the things of creation into existence but He also spoke each person into existence in the womb of these 6 axioms. In other words these axioms that are given in petitions and pronouncements are written to bring holistic healing and a sure defense of Gods elect.

We are born in the boundaries of these 6 axioms and our only hope of being rewarded and surviving on this earth is to remain in these boundaries. We are born in a world that opposes us. Our opposition is not just a threat to the axioms. It is the redefinition of the word advancing as a scheme to destroy us. When we teach that the word is self revelatory , we are saying that the axioms create the personality of the opposition under the control of God so that we can overcome any scheme. We are saying that God has not only described the effects and the personality of our opponents in warning us of the danger but it also contains us in the safety of Gods defense when we face the most danger.   \

Every word of God is a prophetic word. We must believe that these petitions and pronouncements are more than wishing we would receive what we ask for.  But the decrees and promises of God are spoken in order to create the future. So the word of God is more than a division of doctrines but it is petitions and pronouncements in the form of prophecies that allow and prevent us from the cursed dispositions of loneliness and separation.  In other words if we described our lives as a symphony these axioms are the music that we live in so that we experience security and peace. God has given us His word as the natural cries of our hearts in order to bring life and peace to the world. 

6459	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Grace Avoidance	on: April 20, 2008, 04:45:50 PM
We have more riches and indirect power than adam. Because the Second Adam has obtained everything by rite. And we are in the Second Adam. So that we own nothing on this earth, it all belongs to Christ and yet we own everything by being in Him. And yet we have no rite to claim any personal reason to have anything. But we could have all of it by His willing it to be. And we have been given more than Adam had. We share in the fellowship in Christ who is the triune God. So that we have been given the resurrection power to accomplish His will. Our rule is by His rite to rule, by our being represented by His authority. Now we can ask whatever we will and He will give it to us, but we must ask in faith not wavering. If we ask anything according to His will He hears us. So that we have all the spiritual riches at our asking. And yet if we had the amount of power that He could give we would disappear by it. We must see that every part of our lives has a potential to be absolutely secured by His ownership of what we lack. In Him we have access to His throne of grace, a grace that has no limits. We can go to Him with any request of HIs will , with the absolute smallest request and He will hear us. Our access to Him is our confidence that we rule over all things in Him. If we would consider reaching our full potential by His being our advocate, we would not worry about any power ruling us. If we knew that in His throne is the ending of all of our troubles having an effect on us, then we could experience His being our present advocate! If He wanted us to rule a nation, then it would happen. If he want us to discover something that would be new then it would happen. If He wanted to get glory out of our suffering, then it is His ruling in us that will be our ruling in heaven! God has all things under control, and we have access to His working these things out by our being in Christ. We are kings and preist of the Most High!