Thursday, October 1, 2009

Gods Love

Gods love is more than just a love that is compared to all that we have been loved. I do not think that Gods love to us is the same at any time. This is why i think that God has a love of attraction. In this since Gods love has more than a speaking quality... as i love you... but Gods love is displayed to us in answering the quality that we have that we do not understand what it is that makes us so unlovely but He is that person whos presence defines what we cannot quite perceive how that love could be presented to us in order that it would be all the love that presents us as loved but also presents us as more lovely to Him than we could imagine ourselves to be. He fills us with the fullness of His love.

I do not know if we could understand love unless we were pleased to find the object that loves us as love itself. God is love... and if we are pleased with being loved then we are being full of pleasure of being in God!!In this sense we are drawn away from the lesser quality of love because just like the flow of Divine otherness comes from the source that is far beyond what we experience in relation to this worlds otherness ...i really do not know if we could have a self love that is greater than our own limitations unless we are as close to the object of love as seeing and experiencing love in its most highest and most excellent way. If we want to be loved by God i do not see any way out of it being all consuming.

7 comments:

Thomas Ophus said...

Hi everyone will try to respond in the comment section here

Thomas Ophus said...

Do you weep when you pray? There are two kinds of evils that we face in this life. There are the evils that come to us that are not big make us feel hopeless. The other evils are those things that we face where we feel too weak to overcome them.

These evils can come from guilt, shame , fear, and sorrow that we struggle with from the inside or these evils can come to us from our circumstances.

The truth is that no matter how they come to us or the level of pain that we experience from them, our experience is interconnected with Christ work that has been completed as if He lived our life and reacted perfectly as we experience it. These emotional and experiential reactions are written down in the Psalms.
We experience these reactions to sorrows by weeping. This is a gift to us from God so that we can as it were pour out our hearts to God. All of this pain as a result of the destructive experience is settled as we rise up to the line of blessing and cursing which is Gods perfect response in unifying all things to work out for our Redemption.

Thomas Ophus said...

This redemption is a universal plan of God that is beyond our understanding and power to work that has been created by Christ through His perfect response in His experiencing all of our corruption but rising to the level of perfect law keeping.

His reaction to the evils that we experience are far greater than our reactions. When we weep it is both from the knowledge we have of the evil and the pain we feel as a result but it is also very mysterious because we do not see the reasons that He decreed our weeping when we weep. We find wholeness when we rise to the line of blessing and cursing because His perfect work is His experience of anger, sorrow and pain that is far beyond our experience, that burns up our anger , sorrow and pain as we express it in His word and Spirit. This is the laws back bone that gives us a sense of stability.

Thomas Ophus said...

Does God drag people into the kingdom who refuse to listen to Him?

The bible clearly states that God is a God who saves. The question is does man have the ability to love God on his own? Is there any love in a world where God is rejected and viewed as if He does not exist?

If Gods hate was directed at those He created then God would destroy the created person or thing. We could also conclude that God would be mans equal if God had to use the force of will to turn man away from willing evil. We would lower Gods strength in presenting God as struggling to subdue mans will.

If God had to wrestle with man to subdue his will then in the judgement of the first sin of Adam and Eve, they would not have experienced the full effects of spiritual and physical death. To die spiritually is to be imprisoned in an image that is alienated from God. This means that the thoughts and actions of man which are not acceptable to God because of the corruption would be partially acceptable to God in these practical issues of life.

If God accepted man on these terms then He would need to excuse the destruction that was introduced by man in not meeting the requirements of Gods law. The corruption that was introduced as an idea that was put into action in the course of history that affected mans relationship with man. We see that Gods intent is to weigh every action to prevent man from destroying himself, his environment and other men. i will continue.

Thomas Ophus said...


These men who describe God as having a will that is absolutely just and then another will that shows love to those He rejects are doing two things.

The two things these men are teaching are because man is able to resist God then God has created man with an ability to act against the blessing that God creates in His kingdom in this present world without it being part of the history of destruction that is in the present world. In the bible to thwart Gods will is to prevent Him from recreating everything.

The second thing they teach is that God has not made man to rule over this earth. If God is prevented in some way from carrying out His law by the will of man then He really does not exist. If He is not absolute Ruler over the earth then He ceases to be God.

Because we make clear lines in describing who God is then we are able by this to understand who we are. If God is free to act without opposition then we are free to over come all opposition. If we are not free in this way then we are subject to another mans judgement.

Because we are created by God we reflect Gods image. This is why God gave man rule over the earth and has reorder all things as He gave man that authority in the original creation.

We rule by Gods word , which is eternal and cannot return void.

Thomas Ophus said...

Im still getting though my point so there is more to come.

Thomas Ophus said...

The two wills of God are taught in two ways. The first way is that we are not completely justified when we are saved. We are only infused with justification as we justify ourselves. The second way it is taught is that we are fully justified when we are saved but under the teaching of sanctification we need further justification because God must discipline us in order to keep us from sinning. Therefore to be justified in our salvation our works on this earth represent this justification.

This comes from a miss understanding of the OT relationship that Israel had with Jehovah. The separate teaching of justification gifted to us in salvation with justification as we view it from the angle of sanctification is applied to the OT from the NT teaching. But we are to examine the OT words and put the context of the teaching of the NT by the OT word usage of these words.
You will find that in the OT Justification is viewed from the teaching of being blessed or being cursed. And in fact if you look at the covenant that God made with Abraham the success of the spread of the gospel us depended on these horizontal relationships as defined by these two groups...the blessed and the cursed. will stop here but I will give a very accurate argument against these two views from the words of the OT.