9035  Forums / Main Forum / Can You Explain This on: May 20, 2006, 07:44:27 PM Quote I agree...except... James or Ya'aqov (Jacob) was just saying that if you are born again your actions and life shows it. If you are guided by the Spirit then your life shows it. If you are unsaved and living in the flesh your life shows it, because, you are eather, unsaved, or saved, living in a state of sin...and need to be eather saved, or need repentance and confession. Living under the Law does not mean, not obeying the Law , it means not using righteousness attained from obedience to the Law as a means of attaining salvation . -the Galatian mistake! The Law “had been” (past tense) the way to righteousness and salvation, if approach by faith in Yahweh, but with the coming of the Messiah , a new way of “righteousness to salvation” was given by God through “faith in Jesus’ death and resurrection”. The use of the "law/faith" for salvation to eternal life was no more! The use of the "Law/faith" as a guide for your walk with God was still in place. How can you know Godly behavior and un-Godly behavior if you wipe out God’s/Jesus’ teaching (Law/Torah)?   ...you can't!  The Holy Spirit has to reference to something, beside your feelings or imagination! Taking a total antimonial position or a partial antimonial position ignores the fact that the gentiles were given fewer requirements than the Jewish believers (Acts15). The Torah was not set aside for the Jewish Church because the gentiles didn't have to be circumcised! However, the idea that the gentiles were now the new Israel encouraged the false doctrine of dividing the Law into Moral, civil and ceremonial Law (Justin Martyr 150 AD) so it could be dissected without apprehension  or guilt for turning away from their Jewish brethren. All this has added greatly to the present confusion today in the Church and suggests why the same questions about salavtion, Law and works come up over and over again! Thor Thanks Thor-There is a disagreement with you last post that i have, thanks for responding tho. When we talk about the work of the Holy Spirit and obedience we are being exclusive in the scriptural way of obeying. We are making a statement about mans work and Gods work in man. Mans way is to believe that all he needs to do is to take the word of God and trust in it alone as and intellectual assent. That is to tell a person if you pray this prayer for Jesus to come into your heart then he will come in. In other words you just take the word and then you intellectually agree and you are saved. This is mans attempt at obeying. This leads to man centered theology of which we have in the usa. We believe that the word and the Holy Spirit work in salvation and sanctification to effect the change. Its not just pray a prayer. It is believing in the heart as roms. says. That is the focus of that if you believe in you heart and confess with you mouth. The point is those who have the whole heart effected will confess with their mouths continually. Believing is not just intellectual but it is emotional, a felt aspect in which the Spirit witnesses with our spirit through the word of God that we are His. That is a knowledge that is new and spiritual, and has spiritual senses involved, taste touch, hear. The height of desire will show the level of the faith in a person. The more high desire the more growth. We are not to wait for a special motion of the Holy Spirit to obey, but we are to be inflamed with desire from the Spirit and the word in order to obey. Look at the W- Confession. This is not Antinomianism. An Antinomian does not believe that the law applies to him. He only believes in grace and a so called relationship in Christ that is undefined. But Antinomianism also is a pick and choose theology. An Antinomian picks the parts of the scripture he agrees with and discards those parts that do not fit his philosophy. Here is an example. This is what is so prevalent today. People call real Calvinist Antinomians because Calvinism is so watered down today that they can not distinguish between what is true and what is false. Yet Calvinist accept the absolute sovereignty of God as in Eph. 1. So really Calvinist are biblicist in the sense that they have come to terms with God having all the rites as God. Yet the very people who claim that Calvinism is Antinomian are the people who themselves are Antinomian They are the people who cannot submit to portions of scripture because they have a warped view of God and then that will translate into a warped view of the law. So really semi plagenist go in and out of Antinomianism. The will give a pass to anyone who cannot stomach the absolute sovereignty of God and allow that false view of God to be practice in the christian world. They believe that the truth does not apply to them even tho the scriptures are clear. So they focus on the outward observance of the law and ignore important doctrines that focus on the heart of the individual. Then they give every one who agrees with them a pass on not submitting to portions of scripture. That my friend is Antinomianism! This absolute sovereignty is so important that you will never understand the true nature of the law in a rational way and the true nature of grace in a rational way.