6330	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Free Will?	on: May 23, 2008, 12:35:42 PM
I agree that our actions are shaped by events and other actions in our lives, so in that regard we aren't "free".  God himself is the only thing that has a truly "Free" will by every stretch of the term...  So we agree that to have a necessary cause prior to willing does not hinder true liberty. I am not sure why God chose to create, but God is under necessity to act according to His nature, and He is under necessity to respond to the lesser ends for the ultimate end of His glory.  But if we have a cause of choice then we really dont agree that man is self determined in any choice. Because if we take all of mans choices starting from his birth to his death and we line all of them up, then the will cannot cause the first choice since there was no choice prior to the first choice. So that there is a cause for each choice in succession. The cause is a desire, or since we premeditate we think before we sin, and i mean each body movement toward sin. So that we desire the most pleasing object by our mind being most pleased.  Since a will as being defined as self determined is two equal objects and then the will is in an equal Librium between these objects so that this is the definition of true freedom. This is no will at all, since there is not a choice one way or the other.