7768	Forums / Main Forum / What About The Ones....	on: March 06, 2007, 03:25:17 PM
Quote Quote Maxx said: Quote When one truly seeks God, even they don't know Christ's name, they will find God, and by virtue of this, find Christ. This is where I am at the moment.  I believe that each person at sometime during their life is given Light.  If they follow that light and seek more light God will not refuse them. However, in the  absence of written law, I also think that folks will develop their own law.  And they will not even be able to follow the law that they set for themselves. Hence the need for a righteous savior. Call me kooky. BTW--I haven't officially welcomed you to the KLF--Welcome.  I have been reading your posts and I find them interesting and well thought out. What is the difference between the rich man who came to Christ with his riteness of life and what did Christ tell him? He told him to sell all that he had. Now it seems that our best efforts are the reason we do not come to Christ. THe beggar who was absolutely destitute and depraved to the point where he would fit the spiraling down to the end of himself in the Romans passage would be the one who was given grace. I do not agree that we can somehow get to God by our own righteousness.  In the Romans passage Paul is trying to convince the self righteous teachers that they are just like the people who have spiraled down under Gods judgement. God has made it so that man in sin is already a totally depraved person and man only greases the wheels so to speak in the spiraling down. The absence of Gods grace is the reason men find themselves in such dire straights. This is so no man can boast. If there was anybody who could have boasted of his compliance with the light it was the apostle Paul. He followed the law better than any of his contemporaries. Yet what did he conclude about his life of self righteousness. He had to call it what it was , dung. He found that all of his works were filthy rags. That is that they should be tossed in the garbage heap. All of his accolades and all of his holy club disciplines were of no value. All of his accountability partners and all of his self generated washings, and his cleaning the outside of the cup was dung. The only thing of value the apostle clung onto was that he was a convert of Stephens gifts and his self righteous endeavors contributed to his coveting. Only Christ had value in Pauls theology.