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8121  Forums / Main Forum / Why Faith Is A Must on: December 01, 2006, 12:29:38 PM
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...Perfect indifference is not having power to exercise that will in creation.Perfect indifference is not perfect nor is it an existence. It is nothing.
I'm not sure what you mean by perfect indifference, but i'm guessing that you are saying that my assertion that God allows sin means that i believe He exercises perfect indifference.  Perfect indifference, you are pointing out, is impossible for God to exercise.  Am i understanding you correctly?

By the way, i'm enjoying the conversation.  Thanks for the patience in explaining your point of view.


The discussion we are having about causality presupposes necessity. When i mean indifference i mean the state of existing between good and evil without any necessity either way as the definition of liberty. That is what i mean about having non existence. To will something is to act with choice. Acting according to what a person desires most is liberty of choice. When it says that God works out all things, it is not in the state of indifference but it is by actively exercising His will in sovereign choice. There is no such thing as liberty in the arminianist sense of looking down the tunnel, rather it is in the act of choice for His glory that is the definition of being free to act according to His desire. That is the definition of causing all things to exist. If God is not in the effect then He is not in the cause. Being the cause presupposes exercising the will for His own Glory as the evidence of freedom  rather that existing in a state of indifference in your sense of freedom . That indifference is not liberty but non existence. It is important to make this distinction since by your view of liberty you are charging God with making the ability in man more powerful as the cause rather than Gods ability to cause thus limiting Gods exercising His will. By giving man that kind of ability you are allowing God to be in between what God wills and what man wills. Which is to make God work pragmatically.

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