8219	Forums / Theology Forum / Baptism By/of Holy Spirit: Same Or Not?	on: November 17, 2006, 07:58:44 PM
Quote Gene, That has pretty much been my understanding as well. I have expressed it that although you are baprtized by the Holy Spirit once, there can be many fillings of the Spirit. I have heard that in the original the verse in Ephesians where it says "Be no drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit" can be translated "keep on being filled with the Spirit". Tom/mBG brings up an excellent point in the need for Spirit-led worship and leadership in our local churches. Tom, what about Martin-Loyd Jones and his teaching on the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. I understand that his ministry was dedicated to seeking true revival and renewal among God's people. Did he ever experience this in the church that he pastored? 8227  Forums / Theology Forum / Baptism By/of Holy Spirit: Same Or Not? on: November 15, 2006, 07:47:48 PM Ive been thinking for a long time that there is really something wrong with the focus on the modern day worship wars and this  obsession with the apologetic in this whole paradigm of the educated machinery creating a culture of intellectualism that stales the motives and the vision in that paradigm of the new generation of leadership in the church. Because there is a systematized integration in church leadership there is an intellectual atmosphere that poisons the individual stages of disciple new leaders. If we compare the effects of an over intellectual view of worship in the historical setting we will find that our temperature of spiritual worship has declined from the times of our Puritan fathers.So instead of arguing the worship wars maybe its time to argue the the process with the comparison paradigm of the very beginnings of the nt church in the book of acts. First i speak only of the reformed movement since this is an intellectual movement first. In that element there are always going to be the temptation to make the worship apolitical man centered by an over focus on the worship war paradigm brought on by being influenced by the school atmosphere rather than the early church paradigm of spiritual filled worship, calling by the Holy Spirit, and focusing on the gifts in a more pre historic way rather than a class room way.